The Middle of the Story

God Hears Her Podcast 

Episode 207 – The Middle of the Story with Emma Mae McDaniel 

Elisa Morgan and Eryn Eddy-Adkins with Emma Mae McDaniel 

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Emma: I was just reminded of Psalm 46:1 where it says, “The Lord is my refuge and my fortress, my ever present help in times of trouble.” And I just clung to that. And I realized whenever we got the call the next day that it was what I was terrified that it would be. I realized I am experiencing one of my greatest fears come true and that my God is not a conditional God; that I can walk through my greatest fear being made reality and that “ever present” is legit. Like that doesn’t mean that I’m not angry. That doesn’t mean that I’m not confused. It doesn’t mean that I’m not heartbroken, and I just want to be by myself; but at the same time, I want a hug from everyone in the world. But it does mean that “He is my ever present help in times of trouble.” 

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Eryn: Today we’re talking with Emma Mae McDaniel, a sweet soul that started sharing about God and her faith journey while she was in high school. Now she’s an author, the founder of Compelled Ministries, and the host of the Compelled Podcast. Today we’re talking with her about the middle moments of her life, including a recent event of walking through a miscarriage. If you or someone you love is walking through a similar situation, please know we see you, and we’re praying for you, friend. Now let’s get into our conversation with Emma Mae. 

​Elisa: This guest we’re going to be visiting with today has some very tender things to share, but I got to tell you, the second I saw her face, I fell in love. [laughing] There’s just something incredibly winsome about her spirit. And I think you felt it, too, didn’t you? 

Eryn: Absolutely. And I think that when you can experience being on the other side of someone like that, you know that they’ve… probably have fought for it  

Elisa: Mmm. So I just want to welcome now Emma Mae. We want to get to know you a little bit in terms of just, you know, who are you, how’d you get started? How did God grab a hold of you? 

Emma: Oh, wow. I am so thankful I get to share this story because I truly am convinced that no matter the upbringing that one has, whether it’s you grew up in a Christian home, you had so many people who loved God, know God, surrounding you, or that was the furthest part from your story. No matter what, your relationship with Him is personal. And at the end of your life, you’re going to come to a point where you’re not going to give an account for the faith that you kind of clung to in someone else. It’s going to be the faith that you had on your own. And I share all of that because I am so grateful I got to grow up in a family that loved God. My parents raised me knowing the Word and being taught who God was and being taught the Scriptures. But when I was 14, I was in this place where I was riddled with so much anxiety and so much fear, because I was really trapped in this place of perfectionism. I had this means of loving other people really well. But when it came to me messing up or falling short, which is every day because I’m a human being, I would respond to myself in a very harsh way, just the way that I viewed myself, the way that I thought about myself. I was just very hard on Emma. And whenever you go about your day to day being so hard on yourself, it’s exhausting. And you get to this place — or at least I did — where I felt almost paralyzed. Paralyzed where I wasn’t able to just freely be who God made me to be because it was never enough. And I remember one night in the eighth grade, my dad walked into my room. And it was a particularly really hard night, and he was like, “What’s wrong? Like, what’s going on?” And I shared with him the best way I could what was burdening my heart. And he pointed to my Bible on my bookshelf and he said, “Emma, when was the last time you just spent time alone with the Lord in His Word?” And we were heavily involved in our church. We served our community faithfully. I was plugged into my youth group… 

Elisa: Hmm. Hm. 

Emma: … I would genuinely have told you and meant it: “I love God.” But I told my dad, “I don’t know. I don’t know the last time I just went to be with Him on my own.” And that’s when my dad told me what I just told you, is he said, “Emma, when Jesus comes back, I’m not going to be standing with you holding your hand. It’s just going to be you and Him.” And he… 

Elisa: Whoa! 

Emma: … That’s what he said, and he continued to say, “He’s either gonna say to you, ‘well done, My good and faithful servant,’ or ‘Depart from Me for I never knew you.’” 

Elisa: Oh gosh. 

Emma: And then my dad left the room. And so I’m sitting on the edge of my bed, 14 years old, and I go to my bookshelf, and I pick up this devotional that’s like… I’m reading the introduction of it because, well, I hadn’t been reading my devotional. And I opened up the introduction of this book, and it’s talking about the “God girl.” And the way it described the “God girl” was one who would wake up before the rest of the world did just to listen to what it was her Father wanted to tell her. 

Eryn: Mm. 

Emma: And I sat there, not fully realizing it, but realizing it in that moment, that at the end of my life, Jesus is not going to say, “Depart from Me for you never did everything perfectly. Depart from Me for you never had it all together. You never screwed up.” It’s, “Depart from Me for you didn’t have a relationship with Me.” And I wept in that moment, knowing full well that He was with me. And I remember telling Him — this was my 14-year-old prayer. I said, “God, I want to know You. I want to know what makes You happy. I want to know what makes You sad. I want to know if You like chocolate like I do. Like I want to know You in that kind of way.” Those were my exact words, and it was in that moment that fear and anxiety didn’t leave. They were still present, but it was in that moment that I approached them differently because I knew I wasn’t by myself anymore, that He was with me, and I was given full freedom. And I’ve been getting to walk in a lifelong journey of discovering how to walk in that freedom with Him daily. And it changed my life. He changed my life because whenever you know Him, you then not only want to continue to know Him more, but you want to make Him known to everyone. And so that started a… an adventure of: I’ve got to share who He is with every human being possible. And that kickstarted what I’m sure we will get into of a journey of getting to do that in ways that I never imagined. 

Elisa: Emma, thank you. That is so rich, and I’d love to talk for hours about this. I’m struck by the fact that in your kind of bio, etcetera, you call yourself “the girl in the middle.” Where did that… that label of “girl in the middle” — cause I’m a middle child. And I… I know that one… 

Emma: Aw! 

Elisa: … but I don’t think that’s what you mean. You mean something else? 

Emma: I do. So, as I said, I gave my life to the Lord when I was 14 and wanted to share Him everywhere I could. So that was in school, that was on my soccer team, in my community, my neighborhood, wherever I was. But this was also the time where social media kind of started ramping up. Instagram was just a couple years old, and I grew up moving all the time. My mom and dad were like, “Hey, like you and your brother can have Instagram, because this’ll be a way that you can stay in touch with your friends every time we’ve moved.” And so… 

Elisa: That’s unusual for parents.  

Eryn: Yeah, I know. 

Elisa: … Interesting. 

Emma: Yes, I had Instagram so I could stay in touch with friends, and I thought, oh my goodness, I want to tell all my friends who I don’t know if I’ll ever see again about the Lord and Savior who’s changed my life. 

Eryn: Mm  

Emma: And so, as I was in the Word I like just started writing these captions and making these videos and posting them just to encourage people. And as I did that, I discovered, wow, not only do I love God’s Word, but I love helping people understand it. I love sharing it. I love helping people realize that it’s for them too. And so I did that for two years. This was before influencers were a thing. “Following” was not even on my radar. I just wanted to tell anybody I could. And fast forward two years later, we’ve moved again by this point. And backstory, I’m originally from West Monroe, Louisiana. If y’all are familiar with the Robertson family, they have the Duck Dynasty show. They are like long childhood friends of ours, and so anytime we would go back home to visit family, we would see them often just to catch up. And so that’s what we did when I was 16. And so I went and got frozen yogurt with Sadie and Mary Kate and some other girls before we went to a basketball game. And as most teenage girls do, before we left, we all stood out in front of the frozen yogurt shop. And Sadie was on one side. Mary Kate, her now sister-in-law, was on the other, and I stood in the middle. And we took a picture. Then we go to the high school basketball gym. Sadie was on the high school basketball team at the time, and she already had a following because this was when Duck Dynasty had already kicked off. She had been on “Dancing With the Stars,” so the Lord had already given her a space to speak to a lot of people. And she posted the picture on our way to the basketball game. I don’t really think anything of it. We make our way to the gym. I’m like having such nostalgia because I’m seeing so many family friends from summer camp. And I go to sit down in the bleachers, and my phone is going crazy. Like I’m getting so many notifications while the basketball game is starting. So I go and pick up my phone and, thinking not much of it, I go to Sadie’s post. In literally a split second, my world is rocked. And the emotion pivots greatly because I see that what all these notifications are stemming from is one guy who has commented, “Who is that ugly girl in the middle?” 

Elisa: [gasps] No! I was getting ready for something happy…  

Eryn: I know I was too.  

Elisa: Oh, no, Emma Mae! 

Emma: It was… it was world rocking. So I’m sitting there, and not only was this just any guy, this was a guy from my old high school who we were in a class together. So he knew me, and he posts this. And it… it wasn’t just one random comment, but it’s a comment that got so much traction that it became the entire content for the comment section.  

Eryn: Ugh! I hate that! 

Emma: So hundreds of comments are now flooding this post that Sadie has made regarding me, “the girl in the middle.” And they are critiquing my smile. Boys are talking about how they would never date me, and they’re talking about how my smile is cringey and just going on and on about my physical appearance. And so I’m sitting in the bleachers and I am honestly put in a position where I have a choice to make where I… I’m, if you will, to them, “the ugly girl in the middle.” But to me, I’m genuinely sitting in the middle of, am I going to operate out of fear of what people think? Am I going to agree with what they’re saying? Am I going to come and align myself with what they’re saying? Because if I do calm down on my smile, if I do change the way that I look and align with what boys would think would be attractive, then the bullying would quiet down. My desire for approval, it would be appeased 

Eryn: Yeah. 

Emma: Or… I had been walking with the Lord for two years, and the Holy Spirit at the same time is reminding me, Emma, I fearfully and wonderfully made you. Emma, you’re made in My image. Emma, your joy is not cringey. It’s actually a testament to the reality that I’m living inside of you because in My presence is the fullness of joy. That’s where the girl in the middle comes from is… it actually came from what was intended to be extremely hateful. And it’s actually been a concept that I’ve carried with me into the rest of my life where I’m daily in the middle of a decision to make. I’m daily given the opportunity of whether I’m going to operate out of convenience and comfort in my own desire for control and fear. Or am I going to choose to trust God and keep going with him and take Him at His Word? And honestly, we’re all “the girl in the middle” because… 

Elisa: Yeah. 

Emma: … we all sit in our own set of bleachers every single day, in every season of life, in different capacities, in different ways. So that’s where that comes from. 

Eryn: Wow!  

Elisa: Did not expect that turn. I did not. 

Eryn: I didn’t either. 

Emma: Little did I know that God was going to use what man and the enemy intended for evil to actually be the means by which I told people about Him. Because I woke up the next morning, having had thousands of more followers, because my dear friend Sadie, she like spoke up on my behalf. And she’s just a … 

Elisa: Good friend. 

Emma: … sweet friend. I didn’t even ask her to, but… So with all of that going on, that drew a lot of people to the page of, “who is this girl in the middle?” Well, they come to my page just to hear like “I’m just telling you about God’s Word.” And I continued to do that all throughout high school. And there’s continued bullying on every platform, on YouTube, on Instagram, on Facebook, on Twitter. This was before TikTok, haha. And… 

Eryn: Yeah. 

Emma: … because of all of these memes, like I didn’t know what a meme was until I became one. And because of these satirical videos that were twisted from things that I had shared, people were coming to my account. And my perspective was, okay, they’re either coming to get a good laugh or they’re coming to feel good. They may not even know God, but there’s something about the positivity that they’re drawn to. Or they’re coming because they are followers of Jesus, and they want to grow in their faith. I said, “but regardless, they’re coming.” And so… 

Elisa: There you go. There you go. 

Emma: I’m going to just keep saying yes, and as I continued to just open up God’s Word and pour into whoever God brought to me, He opened doors for me to write books. He opened doors… in 2020 I started a podcast. As He opened opportunities, affirmed my gifts, brought people into my life, I got a lot of clarity. And so I went to Liberty University. I got my major in church ministry and women’s leadership. And as that all took place, I’m continuing to say yes, and the Lord is opening more doors to write and to teach. I met my husband, and we got married before our senior year of college. And we moved back after… so three years ago, we moved back to northwest Arkansas, which is where our families are. We now have a 2-year-old little girl. 

Elisa: Oh my goodness! How wonderful! 

Emma: She’s my best friend ever. And the Lord has opened up doors for me. I now have a nonprofit, and it’s called Compelled, where we are equipping women to boldly live out their faith in Jesus, to choose to trust Him in their daily middle moments. I don’t know what tomorrow looks like, but I know that God makes it so clear that whenever you’re seeking to honor Him, He guides you along the right path for the honor of His name. And it’s the most unexpected but the best adventure I’ve ever been on. 

Eryn: I love it. 

Elisa: I love that.  

Eryn: So beautiful! I’m so inspired that instead of becoming quiet and believing the lie of the enemy, that, you know what, maybe I should just not be on social media. Maybe I should be doing something in another space. You leaned in, which is really rare to do when you are being attacked and bullied and you’re fighting lies, like that resiliency to push through is just really inspiring. I just want to say that to you, Emma Mae. 

Elisa: It’s beautiful. Yeah, and I hear all that God’s done. But you know, you shared with us personally that there have been some painful spots, too, way beyond the bullying, in your recent life, in your marriage, in your mothering journey. And I’d love to invite you, as you’re comfortable, to share what maybe recently has been a challenge in your understanding of God and your faith. 

Eryn: Hmm.  

Emma: Yes. I mean, as I shared earlier that sitting in the bleachers was the first of millions of “middle moments” where I’m being invited by God to walk with Him because He loves me. And we had that experience back in February. We found out that we were pregnant and we… 

Elisa: Your second pregnancy? 

Emma: Our second pregnancy…  

Elisa: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. 

Emma: And we were so excited. We were caught off guard by it, and it was so sweet. I’m sitting in the bathroom floor like “Oh my goodness, this is so fun!” And I ran into the living room, and I just like, I just showed my husband. I didn’t have like this Pinterest-esque way of showing him. I was just like, “Look!” 

Eryn: It’s like real life.  

Elisa: Like look here! 

Emma: Yes! And we were both just in shock, and we stayed up till probably midnight dreaming of names. And … um…  

Elisa: Oh. 

Eryn: Oh,  

Emma: I mean, it was just so special and dreaming of even ways of like, “how are we going to tell my mom?” And …um…  

Emma: um… just sweet. This was very, very fast. So this was on a Saturday, and like wake up the next morning, just flat out giddy. We tell my parents on Sunday night and go through about my day Monday. Just can’t believe this is real. …um… And I… I wake up Tuesday morning bleeding. …um… And you almost try to reason through it where you want to find the best-case scenario, that okay, like maybe this isn’t what I think it is. I had Tuesday morning Bible study at my church, and so I packed up my car with my daughter cause they… she would stay in the daycare there while we went… I went to Bible study. And …um… I’m on my way, but I call my mom on my way to Bible study. And I’m just in tears, so terrified. And I… I just told her like, “Mom, I don’t know. I don’t know what this is, and I’m really scared that this is what I think it is.” And. I proceed to call my doctor. They don’t answer, but I leave a voicemail and make my way to the church. And I’m like not being able to make it through Bible study. I’m like a wreck. And so I step out, I get a call from my doctor, and they’re like, “Hey, we received your voicemail, and we really want you to come in right away.” And so I had arrangements for my daughter, and I proceeded to go to the doctor. They basically tell us, “So with this really look… this looks like you have lost the baby. …um… But we are going to like run some tests, and we will know for sure in 24 hours cause we have to test HCG levels.” So basically it was like, okay, I think that this is what it is, but you still are clinging onto this… 

Eryn: That there could be… 

Emma: …possible silver lining for 24 hours. 

Elisa: Ugh! And you’re in the middle again. 

Emma: And you’re in the middle. You’re in the middle. And I… I’m like blaring the song “Trust in God” on my way, like, but in tears, but almost knowing. Like almost knowing that this is what I think it is. And, on my way home from the doctor, my husband’s coming home to meet me and just be with me. And …um… I call my mother-in-law who I… I feel like I struck gold with a mother-in-law. And she’s just… she’s letting me just cry with her. And she was like, she said, “What’s your greatest fear right now?” And I said, “I am so afraid I’m losing my baby.” 

Eryn: No. 

Emma: And sat in that all day, just mad, confused, frustrated, let down. You’ve got like… you’ve just been on this high for three days. And it doesn’t matter how long you’ve known that you’re carrying life, when you know you’re carrying life, you’re automatically connected. You automatically have a love that will never go away. I remember in that moment having this verse that I haven’t read in forever. Like when Jesus said, “the Holy Spirit will remind you of what I have said,” He meant I, just like He did in the bleachers when I was 16 and being told how ugly I was. When I’m sitting here afraid that I’m about to lose my child, He’s reminding me of what’s true. And I was just reminded of Psalm 46:1 where it says, “The Lord is my refuge and my fortress, my ever present help in times of trouble.” And I just clung to that. And I realized whenever we got the call the next day that it was what I was terrified that it would be. I realized I am experiencing one of my greatest fears come true and that my God is not a conditional God; that I can walk through my greatest fear being made reality. And that “ever present” is legit. Like that doesn’t mean that I’m not angry. That doesn’t mean that I’m not confused. It doesn’t mean that I’m not heartbroken, and I just want to be by myself; but at the same time, I want a hug from everyone in the world. But it does mean that “He is my ever present help in times of trouble.” No matter how old I get or how many children the Lord may bless us with to come, that baby that I knew for four days I will carry with me for the rest of my life. 

Eryn: Hmm. 

Elisa: It’s a permanent grief and …uh… I’m sitting here with you in that, Emma Mae. 

Eryn: Yeah. 

Elisa: Curious how your husband responded to all of this. Men, each one is different, too, in… in terms of, you know, he already was a dad with your little girl. 

Eryn: Yeah. How did he process it? 

Emma: So he was, of course… held me and was with me. But he took a route that I thought was just so sweet. I think the greatest weight on his heart, along with me, was our daughter, Margo. 

Eryn: Hmm  

Emma: He said, “Emma, I’m so sad, but I think what is hurting me the most is that she was going to be a big sister, and she doesn’t even…” Like he… he grieved for her. She couldn’t even grieve. She didn’t know that there was something to grieve. And I think that that was just really sweet that he… he held her in a way I don’t think she’ll ever know he did. …um… It was really the posture he took on that I thought was just really sweet. 

Elisa: Isn’t that the way God grieves for us? You know, we don’t even understand half the time what the real loss is, and yet God bends and grieves. He’s ultimately compassionate that He’ll be with us even when we don’t even know. I mean, it’s what Paul talks about in Romans that the Spirit grieves with … with longing, with words He can’t even… we can’t even understand. And that’s so beautiful that that’s how your husband responded for your daughter. 

Eryn: Yeah. 

Emma: Yes, he really did. And not only did he come alongside me so well, but my aunt, she experienced a couple of losses as well. And I think something that I really wrestled with was because it was so short, I think I had a hard time letting myself cry. There was a part where after I couldn’t hold the tears back, but I needed to let them go. I almost felt invalidated to grieve because I… because it was so short and because it was … 

Elisa: like, oh, it doesn’t count. It doesn’t count. 

Emma: Right. 

Elisa: Yeah.  

Emma: Right. It was given the label of “chemical pregnancy,” and that sounds so impersonable, but everything about it, it felt the most intimate to me. 

Elisa: Of course. Yeah. 

Emma: …And my… my aunt, she sent me a text that… I read it, and the waterworks just flowed. It’s like it broke something for me, where she said, “Emma, it doesn’t matter if you’ve carried this baby for four weeks or for four months, you were carrying a baby. And that is… that is validating of grief.” And even my doctor, who I adore, she just validated me and shared how this is such an intimate grief. And she let me, like… she let me cry with her. And so to even just have women come and let me know I have permission to cry, and it’s just as valid, that was also something that I will cherish with me. And I hope to encourage maybe a “me” who is listening that feels so sad, but doesn’t … 

Eryn: Yeah. 

Emma: … feel permission to let the tears fall, that like you have complete permission because it’s just as real if it was further along. 

Eryn: I love that. I… I heard a quote about a year ago that stuck with me that grief needs a witness. I mean we sometimes need to be a witness to our own grief. And I just… I think that’s… that’s exactly what you’re saying. Whether it was your aunt that was being a witness to it and giving you permission to be a witness to it. I’m so grateful for your honesty and your vulnerability because this is a topic a lot of women, I think… uh… quietly endure. And you are being brave to share. And I just believe that the woman listening right now feels less alone and feels like she has a witness with her grief that maybe she’s not allowed herself to be for herself. And I’m just curious: where are you in that journey of hope and rationalizing and believing… like where… where are you in that right now and have… 

Elisa: Beautiful, Eryn, yeah. 

Eryn: …community been a part of that? Or what has that been like for you? 

Emma: That’s so good. There’s actually two things I want to… One, I want to answer your question. And also I want to acknowledge the tension that you just addressed because… So we found out that we lost our baby on a Wednesday officially. And I was a bridesmaid in my best friend’s wedding, leaving for her bachelorette party on Thursday. 

Eryn: Oh, that’s hard! 

Emma: And it was such a tangible picture of joy and sorrow being right there. And I went into it having no idea how to hold them both.  

Eryn: Yes. 

Emma: And I think a lot of times we don’t think that we can. We don’t think that they should be anywhere near each other or could possibly. And I think that there is something so beautiful about our allowance of walking through the valley of the shadow of death. When we walk through suffering, when we walk through grief, and we allow ourself to truly be there with God, and we invite Him into that place, I believe it does open up a capacity for an even greater joy. Maybe not in that moment, but because He is whole, He made us very dynamic. He made us as people that we feel different things, and if we shut off the feelings and the things in life that are hard and don’t feel good, then I think we’re allowing ourselves to only experience a shallow level of joy. 

Eryn: Mmm.  

Emma: So when we welcome Him into those really hard places, we are also welcoming Him to show us what joy and hope looks like in those places. And otherwise we wouldn’t know if we continued to push those under the rug. But that’s something that I was in… I was in total tension with all weekend. And it looked like letting some of my girls in, “Hey, I’m not going to be fully like my typical self this weekend and this is why.” And they prayed with me, and they would… they would pull me aside and say, “Hey, how are you doing?” I would be crying, and they would come and just put a hand on my back. And I think that it matters to let people in, to not do it by yourself. And there’s patience in that, too, because I know I’ve walked with some of my best friends this summer who have also walked through loss. And there is adulthood friendships. It’s complex.  

Eryn: Yeah. 

Emma: And there is a difference to it where you may not know exactly what to do next, but just to be there, to pray, to be available. It matters so much letting them know you’re not by yourself. And to answer your question, too, is what just kept coming to my mind is Jeremiah 17. Because in Jeremiah 17 there’s two verses, and it’s the Lord speaking. And He says, “blessed is the man who trusts the Lord, whose trust is the Lord, for he is like a tree planted by water whose roots go out by the stream.” And listen to this, He says — this is Emma’s version cause I don’t have it in front of me — but He says, “he doesn’t fear when heat comes, and he’s not anxious in the year of drought, and his leaves are always green, and he never ceases to bear fruit.” This doesn’t make sense! What I’m seeing right there is intense suffering and the least desired of circumstances, and I’m seeing life and nourishment and hope… 

Elisa: Still coming, yes.  

Emma: … there. Still coming. And where did all of that come from? It wasn’t coming from an avoidance of the heart. It wasn’t coming from only saying yes to God whenever it… you think it’s going to work out the way you want it to, but it came from “I’m going to choose to trust You.” And that doesn’t mean it’s going to be pretty and easy. That’s going to mean that there are days where I am… I’m crying and that’s all I know. Like “tears are my food,” as the psalmist said. But because I know You’re my ever present help and because I trust You, there’s something rooting me. It’s you that’s giving me life. And then what I hope that this conversation is, is that like: If you’re in a desert, you’re in a place where there’s drought, you’re in a place where it’s intense heat, there are other people walking through those seasons too. But they’re going to look at your life and say, “How are you flourishing? That doesn’t make sense.” Like “How are you feeling every emotion I’m feeling, yet you seem like you have something greater that’s keeping you steady?” And then we’re… we’re able to invite them under the shade of our tree. We’re able to share the fruit with them and show them, “Hey, this is where abundance comes from, and you can have it too.” And that’s what I have, and I’m still experiencing and learning to lean into is: What does it look like for His joy to be my strength? And for joy and suffering to actually be held together a lot more often than we think. And that happens whenever we trust in Him. He changes everything.  

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Elisa: Whoa! Emma Mae is a deep well of knowledge, and I feel so grateful that she trusted us enough to share her story. We love you, Emma Mae.  

Eryn: Well friends, be sure to check out our show notes to learn more about Emma Mae and some fun God Hears Her resources. Subscribe to our emails to make sure that you never miss a God Hears Her update. Find all of that at GodHearsHer.org. That’s God Hears Her dot o.r.g.    

Elisa: Thanks for joining us, and don’t forget: God hears you. He sees you, and He loves you because you are His.  

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Eryn: Today’s episode was engineered by Anne Stevens and produced by Jade Gustman and Mary Jo Clark. We also want to thank Judy and Curtis for all their help and support. Thanks everyone.  

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