The Best of God Hears Her Podcast — Feeling Out of Place

God Hears Her Podcast
Episode 46 – The Best of God Hears Her – Feeling Out of Place
Elisa Morgan and Eryn Eddy with Amy Boucher Pye

Amy: Oz did say to me, “You know, all these little differences will add up to a big difference.”

Eryn: Yep.

Amy: So I knew it wasn’t called a parking lot, but I couldn’t remember that it was a car park, and so I’d be afraid to talk and I’d feel like oh I’m so American and they’re going to judge me as…

Eryn: Yeah.

Amy: …soon as I open my mouth, so I felt very self-conscious and I had to really go back to my identity as I am God’s beloved.

Eryn: Hmm.

Amy: I am a child of God’s. That is my worth. God sees me. God hears me. I know who I am because He loves me.

Eryn: Mm hmm.

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Elisa: Welcome to God Hears Her. I’m Elisa Morgan.

Eryn: And I’m Eryn Eddy, and we’ve all experienced transitions in life. Maybe it was the end of a relationship or sending a child to college or suddenly losing a job. It’s easy to find our identity in a variety of things and we can feel so unsettled when those things disappear. Considering all the transitions in the world and in our lives today, Elisa and I feel like it’s the perfect time to revisit a conversation we had with Amy Boucher Pye in Season 1. Join us as Amy discusses how God led her through a major life transition of her own. And through Amy’s experience, there may be some helpful ideas for the rest of us for the next time we enter a season of transition.

Elisa: But first, a little background on Amy Boucher Pye. Amy is a writer and a speaker and an American living in London, which is a really important detail of her story. She writes devotional thoughts for several publications, including Our Daily Bread, and as the author of the award-winning Finding Myself in Britain and the Living Cross. This is God Hears Her with Amy Boucher Pye.

Amy: I had met an Englishmen of over 20 years ago, and we got married and the deal was was that he was going to finish his seminary and in the Church of England, you have to give back 3 years being a curate, so we were going to be in England 5 to 7 years. It’s been 22.

Eryn: Oh my goodness.

Amy: And he’s English. He’s very English.

Elisa: Okay, where did you meet?

Amy: We met when he was at seminary outside of Washington, DC. We met at a book club.

Elisa: Nice!

Eryn: Oh, how romantic!

Amy: I walked in…I know, I walked in and he said he had an “ah ha” moment.

Elisa: Oh, I love that, did you?

Amy: Ut uh. No. [Laughing]

Elisa: Whoops!

Amy: Mine came later.

Elisa: Yours came later.

Amy: Yeah.

Elisa: How much longer later?

Amy: Oh not long.

Elisa: Okay.

Amy: Not long.

Elisa: Okay, so you’re in…he’s in seminary. You meet at a book club. How long did you court?

Amy: Not long. We actually started talking about marriage after our third date.

Elisa: Oh gosh.

Eryn: Oh my goodness.

Amy: Which we don’t recommend, but yeah. [Laughing] And he actually proposed to me on the day Diana was buried.

Eryn: (Gasp)

Amy: Well he was…he tried to. I have a whole chapter in my first book Finding Myself in Britain, um about how he tried to propose, but I was living in Washington, DC and he came and he was there at the same time and he was taking me out to dinner, and I knew he was going to propose.

Eryn: Yeah.

Amy: I called my best friend. I did my finger nails. [Laughing] I’m like ah, he’s going to do it. Tonight’s the night.

Elisa: Yep.

Amy: And then he took me, because he wanted to propose on British soil.

Elisa: Oh!

Eryn: Oh!

Amy: Which was so cool, but that was the day that Diana was buried. And so, can you imagine what the British Embassy was like.

Eryn: Oh my goodness.

Elisa: Yes.

Eryn: Yeah.

Amy: There was police directing traffic.

Elisa: Oh my goodness.

Amy: People selling flowers. It was a mad…just a bedlum. It was such a mess.

Elisa: Mm hmm.

Amy: So we got up there. He had these dozen roses in front of all of these flowers and that’s…I didn’t know this,…

Eryn: Yeah.

Amy: …but that’s when he gets a nudge from the Holy Spirit going, “You know, if you marry her, there might be other times when you’re away from your country. Are you ready to count the cost?”

Elisa: Wow!

Amy: And he wasn’t, which actually is because he takes things so seriously. He thinks…

Eryn: Hmm.

Amy: …them through, so he gave my dozen roses to Diana.

Elisa: Oh my goodness!

Amy: So he did that and then he turned to me and gave me this…

Elisa: So he put the flowers in the pile…

Amy: Yeah.

Elisa: …with all the other funeral flowers.

Amy: And I’m like, “What’s happening here?”

Eryn: Wow!

Amy: My plan is not going…

Elisa: Yeah. My nails are done!

Amy: Yes, my nails, my nails. [Laughing] So it was 24 hours of heartache and then he came back the next day after church.

Elisa: Oh wow.

Amy: And we had broken up and then…

Eryn: Oh.

Amy: …he came back and went shopping on Sunday, which he didn’t like to do to buy another dozen roses and came and proposed, but it had a happy ending,…

Elisa: Wow.

Amy: …but there was some drama there.

Eryn: So you…so you did break up…

Amy: Yes.

Eryn: …when…when you saw…or when you felt like it wasn’t going to happen.

Amy: When it didn’t happen.

Elisa: When he gave the flowers to Diana.

Eryn: Yeah.

Amy: Well he just…he was still counting the cost and said,…

Elisa: No, I hear ya.

Amy: … “I guess I’m just going to have to go back to England and we’ll have to…and I’m like “Okay, it’s done.”

Elisa: Oh my gosh.

Amy: And then 3 hours later he came back.

Elisa: That was a difficult 3 hours.

Amy: It was! I was…yeah.

Elisa: So you married and you ended up moving…

Amy: I did.

Elisa: …to Britain.

Amy: Yes, because he was still in seminary or theological college as they call it.

Elisa: And you stayed there. You’ve lived there for…

Amy: I did.

Elisa: …20 something years now.

Amy: Yes. Yes.

Elisa: So wow, what’s it like to be…don’t we call that an expat? Is that the right term?

Amy: Well, that’s an interesting thing.

Elisa: Yeah.

Amy: You’re either an immigrant or an expat or…

Elisa: Or what?

Amy: …what are you.

Elisa: Because you’re American.

Amy: Yes.

Eryn: Yeah I’m…

Amy: I am British too now.

Elisa: Okay.

Amy: I do…I am a subject of the Queen. I have a dual citizenship.

Elisa: And the King (makes noise)…meaning Jesus. Go ahead.

Amy: Yeah, no, I was just going to say and the most important citizenship is our heavenly citizenship.

Elisa: There you go.

Amy: Yes.

Elisa: Okay.

Amy: Yeah, so I mean it’s an adjustment, but we live in London and, I mean, being an American in London is not even that interesting…

Eryn: Yeah.

Amy: …because there’s so many people from so many different nations. Our church is…we have about 100 or so, and we have about 19 nationalities.

Elisa: Oh nice.

Eryn: Wow!

Amy: So it’s just a taste of heaven.

Eryn: That’s a melting pot of the culture.

Amy: It really is wonderful.

Eryn: Yeah.

Amy: Yeah.

Elisa: And we Americans are so insolated…

Eryn: Mm hmm.

Elisa: …ah and duh about the…the reality of our global church.

Amy: Yes.

Elisa: That is wonderful that you get to worship constantly in that. I…I want to go back…

Eryn: Yeah.

Elisa: …22, 3, 4, however many years it is, and ask you about what the process was like. You know, you were…you’re a young, excited bride with her finger nails done, you know, thinking “This is gonna be awesome and I’ve falled in love and here we go.” What was it like to pick up roots and…and move? You didn’t probably know it was going to be as long as it…

Amy: No.

Elisa: …did…

Amy: I didn’t know. I…

Elisa: …so tell us about that transition.

Amy: Well it was…it was devastating actually. I was this career woman living in…

Elisa: Yeah.

Amy: …Washington, DC. I had a very wonderful life with the church and lots of friends, and then I moved to England. We were in Cambridge at first, and I was all of sudden Mrs. Pye. You know, going to a doctor’s appointment and they called “Mrs. Pye.” I’m like “Who’s that? That’s my mother-in-law.” [Laughing]

Eryn: Right!

Amy: Um and…and to not work. I wasn’t working at first.

Elisa: And what was your profession in those days?

Amy: Well I was an editor.

Elisa: Okay.

Amy: Um I hadn’t moved into writing yet, and I had worked with Oz Guinness in Washington, DC…

Elisa: Wow.

Amy: …and he talks a lot about calling, and I knew that my calling was not my work, but oh boy when you’re not working, you’re like, “Who am I?”

Eryn: Yeah.

Amy: And “Where is God?” And I thought this was all right and it is right and I know it’s right to be married, but it’s so hard to be away from my family, and this was when the internet was, I mean, the internet was there, but the UK was behind a bit and we didn’t have mobile phones and we definitely didn’t have Skype or, I mean, even a phone call was really expensive…

Elisa: Mm hmm.

Amy: …so I felt like I was cut off and I wasn’t working and who am I?

Elisa: Mm hmm.

Eryn: Yeah.

Amy: And I felt like a little child actually. I…

Elisa: Wow.

Amy: …I think because the language and Oz did say to me, “You know, all these little differences will add up to a big difference.”

Eryn: Yeah.

Amy: So I knew it wasn’t called a parking lot, but I couldn’t remember that it was a car park, and so I’d be afraid to talk and I’d feel like oh I’m so American and they’re going to judge me as…

Eryn: Yeah.

Amy: …soon as I open my mouth, so I felt very self-conscious and I had to really go back to my identity as I am God’s beloved.

Eryn: Hmm.

Amy: I am a child of God’s. That is my worth. God sees me. God hears me. I know who I am because He loves me.

Eryn: Mm hmm.

Amy: It doesn’t matter that I’m not working and that I’m not contributing to the household finances. I can just live in Cambridge and go punting on the Cam, you know, punting are those boats…

Eryn: Yeah, okay. [Laughing]

Amy: …yeah and…and just be a tourist for a little bit, and it’s okay, but it was a long, long process. And it, you know, even at times now, not so much in London, but if I’m speaking out in the country, quite often people will say, “Oh, how long are you visiting?”

Elisa: Oh.

Amy: You know, and ah 22 years.

Eryn: Yeah. Yeah. [Laughing]

Elisa: Because they can tell just by our accent.

Amy: Yeah. Yeah.

Elisa: Mm hmm. Being an American.

Eryn: Well that’s just so, I mean, you learn…learn something through that process being completely stripped of anything you found your identity in.

Amy: Yes. Yes.

Eryn: To walk into where your true identity…

Amy: That’s right.

Eryn: …is.

Amy: And I think so many women can relate to that because…

Eryn: Yeah.

 Amy: …we’re stripped of our identity, you know, as a student, then you move out, maybe you get married, and then you…maybe you have kids, and then maybe your kids grow up…

Elisa: Yeah.

Amy: …and you’re not, you know, a mother in the same way anymore. Or your job changes or you lose your job.

Elisa: But I think that’s real, Amy,…

Amy: Yes.

Elisa: …what you’re talking about, especially for women, because we do lay aside roles…

Amy: Yes.

Elisa: …and we mistake roles for identity.

Amy: That’s right.

Eryn: Yes.

Amy: Yes.

Elisa: And it gets really confusing when you’ve laid aside roles. I remember when I…I left being the CEO at a nonprofit that I just had been the poster child for for 20 years, and I called it the dismantling of Elisa.

Amy: Oh wow.

Elisa: And…and, I mean, I wanted to be less necessary, not unnecessary.

Eryn: Yeah.

Amy: Yes.

Elisa: And…and it’s a very humbling process…

Amy: Yes.

Elisa: …and it does…

Amy: And how did you stay true to who you are in the midst of that?

Eryn: Yeah.

Elisa: Well it’s really what you just said, you know, you have to remember who you are and how God sees you and realize that my identity is not the role. The role was…

Amy: Yes.

Elisa: …a place I was invited to serve.

Eryn: Yeah, that’s right.

Elisa: But I’m still here. It just…it’s very different and it takes a huge adjustment, and I know so many women who’ve gone through that…they become empty-nesters and all the busyness of having kids around is suddenly evaporated.

Eryn: Yeah.

Elisa: Or vice versa, you know, the opposite direction, they’ve been in a busy career and suddenly they decide to stay home with their kids.

Eryn: Yeah.

Amy: Yes. Oh yes.

Elisa: You know, so this is…this is a real felt need.

Eryn: You gave yourself permission too to play a little bit.

Amy: I tried to.

Eryn: …and be a tourist. Like when you said that…

Amy: Yeah.

Eryn: …that would be really hard having a career and a community people that were constant surround, serving, giving, and then you’re in a place what feels a little isolating…

Amy: Yes.

Eryn: …and then you dismantling to not know who you are, and then you’re like, “I’m going to give myself permission to play a little.”

Elisa: Mm hmm.

Amy: Yeah. I had to give myself permission. I mean, it was still hard.

Eryn: Yeah.

Amy: And I think, you know, walking alongside yourself, I think C. S. Lewis says, and I felt so often that I was walking alongside myself and not living in the present and in the moment, so it was a struggle to…

Eryn: Hmm.

Amy: …really connect all those parts of me. And friendship with women actually is…

Eryn: Yeah.

Amy: …really how God helped me too. I mean, obviously I had my wonderful relationship with my husband, but…

Eryn: Sure.

Amy: …I had so many friends in DC and I just prayed, “Lord, please just send me at least one friend.”

Elisa: Hmm.

Eryn: Hmm.

Amy: And He sent me a lovely Irish woman.

Eryn: Hmm.

Amy: A lovely South African woman, and a lovely Scottish woman…

Eryn: Oh my goodness.

Amy: …in the first place we lived, and it was such a Godsend.

Eryn: How did you meet them?

Amy: Through church.

Eryn: Just church, yeah church.

Amy: Yes.

Elisa: Did you have to be a participant in that process or did God just put them on your doorstep?

Amy: Oh no, I had to [Laughing]…I had to…

Eryn: That’s a great question.

Amy: …pursue them.

Elisa: What did you do?

Amy: I don’t even remember, to be honest.

Elisa: Mm hmm. Mm hmm. We can come back to that.

Amy: Yeah.

Elisa: Because what I wanted to ask is…is if you could for a few minutes, make it practical in terms of looking back, and most of us are kind of like just in a daze when we go through transition and we don’t even know how we survive it.

Amy: Mm hmm.

Elisa: But looking back, can you identify some principles or actions that you took that helped you through the transition, because so many women listening are going through some kind of transition and they’re going, “Oh you’re…you’re speaking my language. I’m stuck. I’m in a daze. I’m in a fog. I’ve lost myself.”

Amy: Yes.

Elisa: Any principles…looking for friends, asking for friends…

Amy: Looking for friends.

Elisa: …remembering your…your who identity really is?

Amy: I think really going back to first principles of making sure your relationship with God is completely solid, because in those tender times, you know, it’s so easy to be swayed by the different winds or the insecurities or “Nobody likes me, I don’t have any friends.”

Elisa: Yeah, you’re back in junior high.

Amy: Yeah. I made a gaff. I mean, we’ve moved a couple of times.

Elisa: Oh that would be a mistake. Excuse me. Go ahead.

Amy: Oh sorry, yes. I made a terrible mistake in saying something horrible. Um so really going back to the same principles of reigniting your relationship with God, that love relationship that you have. Reading the Bible, praying, asking to hear…to sense God’s voice, so that you know that your identity is so solid, and then going out there and praying and asking God, “Send me some friends.”

Eryn: Yeah.

Elisa: Mm hmm.

Amy: Um I have met a lot of friends at the gym.

Elisa: Okay.

Amy: I love going to the like body combat classes and…

Elisa: Sure.

Eryn: That’s awesome!

Amy: …body pump and all of that, and there I just play, I mean, I play being the American, because it’s…

Elisa: Uh huh.

Amy: …I can be loud and outgoing and trying to make friends, and I always say, “Oh, I’m Amy,” because Brits don’t like to introduce themselves.

Eryn: Yes.

Amy: “This is Eryn. Eryn, have you met Elisa?” and so I think really…

Eryn: Mmm.

Amy: …going out and asking God to help you find friends, but then also doing your part in that.

Elisa: Okay.

Amy: And, you know, sometimes it’s making a plan, joining a crafting group…

Elisa: Mm hmm.

Amy: …or a writing group or a walking group or whatever kind of group it is…

Eryn: Yeah.

Amy: …and go, “Lord, help me find myself in you and help me to also be your light…

Elisa: Mmm. Mm hmm.

Amy: …in this season.” And I think as we look outside of ourselves and go, “She’s really hurting right now,” or, you know, “She’s got a need. How can I minister to her,” and then we start to feel better about who we are,…

Elisa: Sure.

Amy: …because God’s like, “I can use you as my hands….

Eryn: Yeah.

Amy: …I’ll be working through you.

Eryn: Yeah.

Elisa: I think of…

Eryn: That’s beautiful.

Elisa: …one of the best pieces of advice I’ve received is to invest by owing. Think about that.

Amy: Oh!

Elisa: So instead of just being the answer woman, which we think is the Jesusy thing to do, you know,…

Amy: Yeah.

Elisa: …say, “Can you help me?”

Amy: Yes.

Eryn: Invite.

Elisa: Yeah to invite somebody else. “Can you help me?”

Amy: Yes.

Eryn: Yeah.

Elisa: And then somebody else is going to feel valued…

Eryn: Mm hmm.

Elisa: …and necessary, and in so then you have this beautiful mutual exchange. That’s kind of cool. So you ended up staying…

Amy: Yeah. Yes.

Elisa: …for all these years, so what has surprised you about that and is anything shifted? I mean, you’re probably the welcoming one now.

Amy: Well, I hope I am. Um…

Eryn: Well you probably know what it’s like to feel…

Amy: On the outside.

Eryn: …on the other side. Yeah.

Amy: Yes. And a friend of mine, and English woman who actually is American, but she sounds Downton Abbey, you know, she really does.

Eryn: Yeah.

Elisa: Mm hmm.

Amy: She said right when…she was living in Washington, DC when we were engaged, and she said, “You know, Amy, you’ll just always have one foot on each side of the pond now.”

Elisa: Hmm. Mm hmm.

Amy: And that’s true. I think not just with me in my life,…

Eryn: Yeah.

Amy: …but that’s true in life. Sometimes we have to relinquish something,…

Eryn: Mm hmm.

Amy: …but God gives it back to us in another way. I’m still close with my family. I mean, we don’t get to see each other as much, but we…the bonds are strong and connected and I get to come back every now and again like now and go to Target!

Eryn: Yeah! [Laughing]

Elisa: A Target run.

Eryn: Target.

Amy: Target Boutique.

Elisa: That’s right. That’s right. That’s right.

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Eryn: When we come back, the conversation with Amy continues on the topic of identity, and specifically, her struggle to step confidently into becoming who God made her to be. For anyone who’s struggling with the questions, “Who am I?” or “Who am I supposed to be?”, don’t miss the rest of this conversation. I found it so helpful. I hope you do too. That’s coming up on God Hears Her.

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Amy: My whole journey as a writer and as a speaker has been accepting who God has made me in Christ and that I have brain…

Eryn: Hmm.

Amy: …and that I can think…

Eryn: Mm hmm.

Amy: …and at one level, the whole academic study way until the end until I got to the dissertation, I just didn’t think I belonged.

Elisa: Mm hmm.

Amy: That I wasn’t smart enough, that I couldn’t do this deep kind of reading and this critical thinking and…

Elisa: Yep!

Amy: …and I had…I just battled on through the end and that was part of God transforming me to say, “I am your teacher.”

Eryn: Hmm.

Amy: You know, to take Psalm 23 and say, “Though you might walk through the valley of bad um papers, I am the one who upholds you.”

Eryn: Yeah.

Amy: “I am your teacher, and I give you my wisdom. So receive it and know that you’re my child.” It’s back to who I am in Christ.

Elisa: Hmm.

Amy: That’s a recurring theme for me.

Elisa: You’ve personalized that beautifully.

Eryn: Yeah.

Elisa: And I…I hope maybe everybody listening can think about that, “Though I walk through…” fill in the blank,…

Eryn: Yeah, exactly.

Amy: Yes.

Elisa: “God is with me.”

Amy: Yes.

Elisa: That’s very personal.

Eryn: That’s so good.

Amy: How have you both, when you’ve walked through the valley of whatever, how have you felt God’s presence near you and changing you?

Elisa: Mm hmm.

Eryn: I went through a divorce.

Amy: Oh.

Eryn: And then a lot of debt, like almost filed for bankruptcy, business struggling, I mean, just all sorts of…when I talk about metrics of where we find our identity and self-worth that are not sustainable…

Amy: Yes.

Elisa: Mm hmm.

Eryn: …mine was in relationships and status…

Amy: Okay.

Eryn: …and finance and all of that, so then when I was stripped of it, I was at the end of myself,…

Amy: Hmm.

Eryn: …and I had to ask God like, “God, I want to see myself the way you see me,”…

Amy: Oh yeah.

Eryn: …because I’m seeing myself through all of these circumstances. And that’s where it was like an overwhelming peace and like I can’t…it’s like it felt like a hug of His presence.

Elisa: Hmm.

Amy: Oh, yes.

Eryn: When I just prayed and surrendered my life to Him and was just like, “Please make something new of this. Renew my life. Transform me…

Amy: Yes.

Eryn: …and changed things inside of me and heal areas that I don’t even know how to even approach.”

Amy: Hmm.

Elisa: I’m remembering a…a situation when I was on a plane coming home from a speaking engagement and our family was going through such difficult times. My daughter was pregnant as a teenager. My son was finding himself in hard places, and I couldn’t be home for some important moments, and I was on my way home and my flight was delayed.

Amy: Hmm.

Elisa: And it was like, “Really God, you know where I need to be. Please, please, please.” And I looked out the window. We were tuck on this tarmac and that actually, Amy, Psalm 23 went through my…

Eryn: Hmm.

Elisa: …my heart.

Amy: Oh, okay.

Elisa: And it was not the verse, “Though you walk through..;” it was “I will make you lie down in green pastures,” and I looked…

Amy: Oh.

Elisa: …out the window and there was this tiny scrap of green in the middle of the runway…grass, and I just thought, “I’m going to commit right now, God, to look for the green.” You know, the pasture, the place…

Amy: Yes.

Elisa: …that you’re going to help me to lie down when I walking through the whatever.

Amy: Even though it’s storming all around.

Elisa: Whatever it is and, you know, I think, you know, our conversation’s been about being in transition, you know, talking a lot about moving as an American to the United Kingdom to London, but all of us are in transitions…

Eryn: Yeah.

Amy: Yes.

Elisa: …where things that we depend on are stripped away, and the assurance, the transformative truth is that even though we walk through, God’s with us, and that He will make us lie down, so let’s look for the green.

Amy: Look for the green.

Elisa: If you will.

Amy: I love that.

Elisa: Mm hmm.

Amy: That’s such a good reminder.

Eryn: Going back to you, what would you tell anybody that’s listening that doesn’t feel like God hears them or sees them, and you can look back and you see when you may have felt that way. What would you tell them?

Amy: Well, I would say to get quiet.

Eryn: Hmm.

Amy: Hopefully if that works for them. If they’re a huge extrovert, they might need to get talking to another person, but for me, I was reading the Bible and that wonderful part of Isaiah where God says, “I’ve known you and I love you. You are my beloved.” And there are just different parts in the Bible where you just can hear God speaking through the words of Scriptures, and I really believe that the Holy Spirit leads us to the Scripture that we need to go to at the right time, whether on our own or whether through the help of another person, and the Holy Spirit will bring that alive and it will be like God is speaking straight to your heart and that’s what I needed to hear.

Eryn: Hmm.

Amy: Is that I was beloved by God and that He loved me, He knew me, He saw me, He hears me, and I think a lot of the time, we have to ask Him to help us turn off our whatever voices of “I’m not good enough. I’ve done this. I’ve done that,” and just to quiet down, and you could put your hand on your heart and go, “I’ve asked you, Lord Jesus, to come live in me and I know you do, so please speak through the words of the Bible.” And I think God will and then just hold onto that truth. Write it out and put it on over your sink if your washing the dishes or on your phone or on your computer and just live out of the truth…

Eryn: Yeah.

Amy: …that God is with us.

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Elisa: God is with us. He’s sees us. He hears us. He knows us, and nothing anyone can say, including ourselves, can change that.

Eryn: That’s so encouraging. And before we close out today’s episode, just a quick reminder that the show notes are available in the podcast description. The show notes not only contain the talking points for today’s episode, but you will also find a link to connect with Elisa and me on social. So, check out the show notes on our website, godhearsher.org.

Elisa: The show notes also contain a link to sign up for the God Hears Her newsletter featuring helpful articles and stories for women, just like you and me, who are discovering what it means to be seen and heard by God.

Eryn: Thank you for joining us, and don’t forget God hears you, He sees you, and He loves you, because you are His.

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Elisa: Today’s episode was engineered by Anne Stevens and produced by Daniel Ryan Day and Mary Jo Clark. And we also want to give a quick shout out to Kathi, Jody, and Luanne for their help in creating and promoting the God Hears Her podcast. Thanks, ya’ll.

Eryn: God Hears Her is a production of Our Daily Bread Ministries.